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Will We Be Microchipped?

By Michael G. Mickey



Bible prophecy foretells a time coming in the prophetic future when the prophesied Antichrist is going to cause "all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." (Revelation 13:16-17)

All of us familiar with bible prophecy know what the preceding Scripture specifically refers to, namely the mark of the beast, but do we fully realize that right now, buried within a Democratic party-endorsed bill that most of us overwhelmingly stand in opposition to, the precursor to themark of the beast, at the very least, may be lurking, largely unseen by the public?

The following is an excerpt from a Canada Free Press article dealing, in part, with ObamaCare and the Democratic Party's greatly sought health care reform bill:

The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes in its lists of things that must be registered in the NATIONAL MEDICAL DEVICE REGISTRY: ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.”

Then on page 1004 it describes what the term “data” means in paragraph 1, section B:

‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to information respecting a device described in paragraph (1), including claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary.”

What is meant by the term, “class II device that is implantable”?

According to the FDA, a class II implantable device is a “implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information.” The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments,electronic health records , and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary.” In other words an RFID chip such as are used in a number of dogs and cats. Just like Obama’s dogs.

Humans being marked in the manner domestic pets and livestock presently are? That's precisely what bible prophecy seems to foretell coming, does it not?

Numerous times in the past I've directed my readers to consider the possibility that the implantable microchip, the VeriChip, could be the prophesied mark of the beast in the making or a precursor to same. The information above does nothing to discredit that possibility. To the contrary, it raises the possibility dramatically, especially when we consider the course VeriChip Corporation recently embarked on.

In an article entitled "VeriChip Buys Steel Vault, Creating Micro-Implant Health Record/Credit Score Empire" we read the following, in part:

VeriChip (CHIP), the company that markets a microchip implant that links to your online health records, has acquired Steel Vault (SVUL), a credit monitoring and anti-identity theft company. The combined company will operate under a new name: PositiveID.

The all-stock transaction will leave PositiveID in charge of a burgeoning empire of identity, health and microchip implant businesses that will only encourage its critics. BNET previously noted that some regard the company as part of a prophecy in the Book of Revelation (because the HealthLink chip carries an RFID number that can be used as both money and proof of ID) or as part of President Obama’s secret Nazi plan to enslave America.

Remember when the implantable VeriChip was approved by the FDA in October of 2004, supposedly for use in humans for 'medical' purposes, and critics of my suspicions were laughing at me, as well as others observing current events in light ofbible prophecy, for speculating that the VeriChip's applications might be expanded to include mark of the beast -like qualities? I do. The critics aren't laughing now. Well, they may be but they're doing it a lot more quietly, primarily because it looks like the bible prophecy-watching community had a great deal more foresight than they did.

As early as 2005, it was becoming clear the VeriChip implantable microchip was being eyed as attractive to government - and not just to store medical records. In a 2005 commentary, I included a quote of interest indicating that "these types of applications are actually being driven under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security." And no, I didn't make that quote up. I pulled it directly from a story posted on Yahoo Finance's list of business news stories and provided a link to same as verification for my readers to review for themselves. Unfortunately, the link from the 2005 commentary is dead now, as is often the case with news items several years old, but look at where we are now!

Before our very eyes, the once innocuous-sounding VeriChip Corporation has metamorphosized into PositiveID Corporation, indicating, in my opinion, that the primary focus of this company, regardless of how much it touts the medical uses of its implantable microchips, is CLEARLY on marketing its implantable microchip as a means of IDENTIFICATION.

The term 'positive identification' is one I'm quite familiar with as a retired police officer with decades of experience. Establishing positive identification is critical in any case where law is going to be enforced, far more so than in any hospital emergency room I'm familiar with! As a police officer, I have seen many an individual transported to the hospital and treated for serious illnesses or injuries without anyone positively knowing who the individuals were. I have not, on the other hand, seen a lot of people go to jail without 'positive ID' having been established beforehand.

Now don't get me wrong! There are any number of circumstances where I've seen an unidentified suspect hauled off to jail and booked as a John Doe for committing a crime, but this is the exception rather than the rule - and by far! Reason? It's a crime in most states to fail to identify one's self to law enforcement if one is being legally detained or arrested by a police officer having probable cause to do so. Not only is it a crime to refuse to be positively identified, it's a major inconvenience for a suspect. Refusing to be identified is a separate criminal offense that only adds to the suspect's troubles. Even more bothersome, one charged with a criminal offense as a John Doe is never granted bail.

What I'm trying to convey here is we may be able to tell a great deal concerning the direction a corporation's technology may be headed based on something as simple as a name change, especially in this case.

From day one I've said that if the implantable microchip is the prophesied mark of the beast in the making, or even a precursor to it, we would begin to see similarities between the two. While the verdict is still out, we know the implantable microchip can serve as a positive identification , can store personal information like medical records, and even be utilized to make a financial transaction. Without drawing any final conclusions, we're getting there, aren't we?

Assume for a moment that the implantation of microchips becomes mandatory in the future, toss in a dictatorial leader who would connect having (or not having) the implant as an indication of where one's political loyalties lie, and make it impossible for one to buy or sell without having the chip and what do you have? I don't know about any of you, but I think you may well have the mark of the beast.


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"Remember when the implantable VeriChip was approved by the FDA in October of 2004, "

I don't like it and it has obviously been considered for several years.
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Assume for a moment that the implantation of microchips becomes mandatory in the future, toss in a dictatorial leader who would connect having (or not having) the implant as an indication of where one's political loyalties lie, and make it impossible for one to buy or sell without having the chip and what do you have? I don't know about any of you, but I think you may well have the mark of the beast.
Well then according to scripture, you'd be wrong with this scenario.

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11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
By verse 16 that was quoted in the article, the rapture has happened, there's trumpets being blown, seals being opened, the beast & the antichrist are in power, and we're right smack dab in the middle of the tribulation. At this point you're either worshipping the beast or you're dead. So wouldn't the mark just be icing on the cake?

IMO, the author is making several sensational comparisons that don't really line up with scripture.
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I remember awhile back, I read something that in order to buy food and supplies, they are going to require you to give a fingerprint of your index finger in order to buy things. The State of NY now uses this method for people on Probation because of the many people who are on probation in the NY state. I don't mean to take this off topic, because we are discussing being Microchipped, I dont beleive that they are going to use the Microchip on Humans.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but, I seem to remember hearing a minister saying it will be a sin if we let them do this to us. I am scared.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but, I seem to remember hearing a minister saying it will be a sin if we let them do this to us. I am scared.
I'm not so sure about that since people tend to have a list in their minds of what constitutes sin & what doesn't. I have relatives that will tell you that drinking, smoking, & owning a deck of playing cards are all sins.
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We are NOT in the tribulation so it is not something we need to be concerned about at this time.

Also, more importantly I think, those who get the mark do so WORSHIP the AC. Doesn't matter what technology you use at this time, it's not the mark as worshiping the AC is not required. That's not to say some piece of technology in use or in development isn't going to be the mark at some time in the future, it simply isn't now.

Another point, you can't take the mark against your will or by mistake. Everyone will know worship of a specific individual goes hand in hand with taking the mark, whatever it may be. No room for mistakes.


As to the mark itself, I've heard it say that whatever it may be, it may not be anything electrical or computer related. The idea is that because its during the tribulation with all the judgments happening, the eletrical and computer infrastructure will have been destroyed due to all the chaos. I have to say, they got a good point.
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Verichip Buys ID Security Company

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VeriChip has a new name. The company famous for its development of RFID tags that can be implanted in humans has acquired Steel Vault Corporation, a provider of identity security products and services. Anti-identity-theft meet human microchipping. Together, VeriChip Corp and Steel Vault Corp are forming a new company called PositiveID.

For years radio frequency identification (RFID) tags have made product identification and inventory easier for stores. Farmers are injecting implantable RFID tags into their livestock in order to stem the spread of mad cow disease. If a diseased cow turns up, it can be easily tracked backward to every stockyard where it's been, all the way back to its home ranch. Pet owners have had their animals "chipped" so they can be identified by animal control and returned home if lost. From passports to pre-paid train and bus smart cards, RFID can be found everywhere.

Applied Digital Solutions' VeriChip has been marketed as a health care ID tag that is handy for quickly identifying at-risk patients if they show up at a hospital. A simple scan of the chip in a person's arm would bring up the patient's medical history at Health Link, helping hospital personnel to offer the best care to a patient, even if they're brought in unconscious. A recent VeriChip commercial promoted its rice grain-sized microchip as useful to Americans from all walks of life, from the diabetic to the driver whose car goes off the road.

Now, a Steel Vault VeriChip combo will be in a position to use chipping as a means to protect people from identity theft. Americans may resist the idea of having chips stuck in their arms, even to protect their identity, but the brains behind PositiveID have a lot of different plans in the meanwhile.

Scott R. Silverman, Chairman and CEO of PositiveID, stated,

"In joining these two companies, we believe we are better positioned to accelerate the development of our exciting diagnostic and sensor applications such as glucose-sensing, as well as our rapid virus detection system for the H1N1 virus and other pandemic viruses. By moving beyond the original patient identification application of our implantable RFID microchip technology, we believe that we will be able to get high-value products to market faster with a more efficient use of capital."

Of course, it's easy to imagine the eventual use of RFID technology to identify every human being in America and even the planet. It certainly could reduce the problem of ID theft if one's scannable ID was embedded in one's arm. No more stolen or lost credit cards. No more forgetting one's driver's license at home. At least, PositiveID could make that argument, and then hello Big Brother.

Orwellian fears are unlikely to be realized any time soon, though. The implementation of RFID technology has actually taken much longer than folks originally anticipated, and for a variety of reasons. Since 2003, Wal-Mart has pushed for its suppliers to include RFID tags on pallets and cases of products, but the costs to implement RFID technology has made the transition slow. Only about 600 of Wal-Mart's 20,000 suppliers are on board the RFID wagon so far, with others complaining not only about the expense of the readers, software, and tags (some still over $.07 each), but also about problems with the liquids and metals in their products interfering with the readers. Trying to integrate different technologies has also proved a pain in the neck.

The pharmaceutical industry has also been slow to implement RFID technology, even though it's been mandated by California law. Pharmaceutical companies in California are supposed to use RFID tags to keep track of drugs in order to improve safety and reduce counterfeiting, but the pharmaceutical industry has balked at the expense and complications of implementing a comprehensive system. Because of these difficulties, California has given the industry until 2015 to abide by its electronic pedigree law.

And as far as "chipping" humans? Some people think it's a jazzy idea and have had VeriChip injected under their skin for medical reasons or to avoid carrying their IDs (and wallets or purses) into nightclubs. A whole lot of people, though, have absolutely no intention of getting an implantable microchip – not under any circumstances. Not even when tempted by VeriChip's well made commercials.

Even with the complications of chipping everything, though, RFID is a growing business that has worked its way up from a $1.9 billion-a-year industry in 2005 to a $5 billion-plus industry today. And the biggest user of RFID technology are world governments. China just spent $6 billion to get its citizens RFID-tagged national id cards. The US government has been using RFID tags to keep track of military inventory, and since 2006 has put these microchips on passports. The UK and India are also chipping their passports, and pre-paid public transportation cards have long been using RFID.

The chipping of the world has been a slow but steady progression, and it doesn't promise to go away anytime soon, even with complaints and balking, inconvenience and negative public opinion. Whether for good or for bad, RFID is here to stay.


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We are NOT in the tribulation so it is not something we need to be concerned about at this time.

Also, more importantly I think, those who get the mark do so WORSHIP the AC. Doesn't matter what technology you use at this time, it's not the mark as worshiping the AC is not required. That's not to say some piece of technology in use or in development isn't going to be the mark at some time in the future, it simply isn't now.

Another point, you can't take the mark against your will or by mistake. Everyone will know worship of a specific individual goes hand in hand with taking the mark, whatever it may be. No room for mistakes.


As to the mark itself, I've heard it say that whatever it may be, it may not be anything electrical or computer related. The idea is that because its during the tribulation with all the judgments happening, the eletrical and computer infrastructure will have been destroyed due to all the chaos. I have to say, they got a good point.
That's an interesting point Lee.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but, I seem to remember hearing a minister saying it will be a sin if we let them do this to us. I am scared.

1. We will not be here when this takes place so there is absolutely NOTHING to worry about period. The reason we will not be here is because the Mark does not happen until the half way point of the Tribulation. The rapture happens before the Tribulation even starts.

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Now we need to use some common sense here. Let's read the verses that deal with this subject:


Revelation 13:11-17 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.

Let's look at just this much of it to start with. This "other beast" that it's talking about is the False prophet. We know that because it says the first beast (the Antichrist) gave him the power and authority to speak for him and do things in his name.

Let me quote from a commentary about something I think is important to know here:

The false religious system, which was supported in this way imitated the divine Trinity. Satan seeks to take the place of God the Father; the first beast assumes the place of Jesus Christ, the Son, the King of kings; and the second beast, the false prophet, has a role similar to the Holy Spirit who causes Christians to worship God. This is Satan’s final attempt to substitute a false religion for true faith in Christ.

Next it says that this false prophet made
the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast. This is telling us that this is being done through some kind of religious system, separate from the political system the AC is involved in, but supporting the AC. We know the earth itself is NOT going to worship Satan but Satan wants to copy God and God's Word tells us that all creation worships Him. God also marks each one of us who is saved, so that's where Satan gets his idea to mark his followers.
Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

So you see, this Mark of the Beast really has nothing to do with finances or anything else, it's really all about Satan marking his followers the same way God marks His. Being an egotist like he is though, Satan wants his seal to be visible. The AC will as we know include the financial stuff with the Mark and most likely other things as well but the first and main purpose of the Mark of the Beast is to mark Satan's followers. Just as the Holy Spirit seals us to Christ forever, so will the mark of the beast seal his followers to him forever. Neither seal can be broken or "undone". A person who is really saved can no more take the mark of the beast then a fish could turn into a horse. It's simply impossible. It is also just as impossible for someone who has taken the mark of the beast to turn around and decide to follow Christ instead. It cannot be done. Once a person is marked by God, they are His forever. Once a person is marked by Satan (which can only be done by the person taking the mark of the beast) then they belong to Satan forever.

Note too that the last line says that the Antichrist had received a fatal would by now, which is how we know that this is taking place in the last half of the Tribulation. Ok, lets look at some more of it:


And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak

Here we see that Satan is endowing his prophet with powers to do "miracles" in imitation of Jesus. Remember that Satan wants two things and always has:
1. Satan want to "be God". Of course he can't be, so basically he has to settle for simply fooling people into thinking that he's god or fooling them into believing that he's at least as powerful as God.
2. Satan wants to be worshiped. This is why he wants to be God.

This statue which can speak and breathe apparently will be his copy of how we all go to church and worship God. Of course Satan has a huge ego so he wants something bigger and better then just a bunch of churches, hence the statue. Next it says:


and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

This tells us again the real purpose of the mark as the AC now has a problem. The AC will have to have a way of figuring out just who is his follower and who isn't; who worships him and who doesn't. Of course he can't come right out and say that's what it's for yet as the Trib is only a little more then half over. He's still trying to deceive as many people as he can. So he tells people it's to help the economy and make their lives easier all the way around.
This is the true purpose of the mark of the beast. The mark tells him who "belongs to him" and who doesn't. Those who do not belong to him he kills.

Here's the next passage that speaks about this:

Revelation 14:9-12 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

Just prior to this passage we see the angels going all over the earth telling people the Gospel and warning them that they need to repent and be saved before it's too late. Even now God is still trying to save as many as He can. So now this angel comes around and warns them right off the bat not to worship the AC or his image. Let's look very closely at exactly what this angel says:

“If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God’s fury,

Do you see it? "AND receives his mark". This tells us that the mark is all about worshiping the beast. In other words, once a person gets the mark regardless of "why" they think they are doing it, they will instantly become true followers of Satan's and will worship Him. Taking that mark is equivalent to our receiving the Holy Spirit when we are saved. Once they take the mark, they become Satan's body soul and mind and there's nothing they can do about it. BUT they won't care because even if they weren't sure about they wanted to worship the beast before they took the mark, they will be sure they want to after they take it. Taking the mark will change them just as surely as our salvation changes us.

This is actually a reassuring thing for us. This shows us yet another reason that our salvation is secure. How? This shows us that once a person decides to follow Satan and takes his mark, they cannot "change their mind" and choose God later because Satan changes them the second they take that mark. Satan has always copied God in everything as we discussed a little earlier. So this is a copy of when we are saved. Once we are truly saved we cannot change our minds and decide we want to follow Satan instead because God instantly changes us the moment of our salvation. That is when He gives us our new nature/ our new spirit. This is what Satan is doing, only of course with evil--he gives his followers a more evil spirit. Well not exactly, what he actually does is simply totally corrupt the one they already have to the point that it might as well be considered a new one.

We know that there is only one unforgivable sin and that is to reject Jesus; taking the mark would be the ultimate in rejecting Jesus and results in all who take it going to hell forever.

Does that help Susie? Do you understand now why you have nothing to fear?

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That's true! We Christians will be raptured before the "mark" issue comes to fruition, so we have no worries!


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Thanks Cindy. I had heard, from Jack VanImpe,I believe, that the "mark" would be in our times, and I was getting scared. I think I understand better now however.
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No problem Susie, and if there's anything at all that you're unsure of, or don't understand exactly about what I said, Please ask! I love answering questions and I most certainly don't want anyone going away even a tiny bit worried about something like this!
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We Christians won't be microchipped, but other after the tribulations. I don't know about you guys but I have the strangest feeling that after are rapture. There is going to be a large man hunt for all the people that have disappeared. After a couple of months they are going to pass a law for everyone to be microchipped so that if someone goes missing again they can find on the planet where everyone is going. It will have all information about you... just saying that is a good possiblity that could happen.
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I have heard that this chip will first come in the form of a national health care chip. They put it in your hand, go to the hospital and they can scann it for all of your health care data.
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I heard about it way back when and again when 911 happened, I read about the first family getting it out of fear, not many bought into it, now they will use it for the medical, who knows what they will say next, for me it goes in one ear and out the other..they will say just about anything to get all chipped when there ready.
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