The "Anointing"

[Richard]

One of the statements made by many of the new prophets of today is that they are under Gods new anointing and bringing new revelation for the Church.

There seems to be the thought that a new anointing has fallen and that it has stimulated this new era of prophecy that is moving through the Church. The modern anointing can come in various sizes and shapes today. It has become common place to say this or that is anointed. People, music, tapes and envelopes are equally anointed. This is a word that has absolutely no meaning anymore, even less than its new power. The bible does not say such things in the New Testament. It states we have the anointing. He, the person of the Holy Spirit who is God, lives inside the Believer and we now become a living temple because of his presence. The whole Church is anointed by the same anointing.


The Bibles teaches in 1 John 2:20-21 But ye have an unction (anointing) from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written to you because ye do not know the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Notice it states you the believer already possesses it, so you don't have to go to someone else to get it. The truth of the anointing of God is when you were saved and the Holy Spirit indwelled in you and you were baptized in the Spirit you were fully anointed. To say we need a new anointing is to say we need a new Christ!

This anointing is not a thing we get that gives us a special power but is the person of the Holy Spirit which is our seal of being in Christand it makes us all anointed. This anointing is God himself. To those who teach on different anointings the anointing is a power given by the Spirit instead of the biblical definition of being synonymous with the Holy Spirit Himself. If the anointing is separate then it can be lost, increased, transmitted, etc. When we see the anointing and the Spirit as the same and as a person like the Bible teaches, then these things described and practiced cannot occur.

This idea of new anointing is taught by almost all of the new prophets and stems for the teachings of the Latter Day Rain/Manifest Sons of God movement. The basically say that the time of Pentecost that happened to the early Church was the early rain and it did not complete Gods purpose and so God has sent a Latter rain to finish the job. With this teaching it is saying that the Holy Spirit was divided up into parts and that some was given first and now some more is given which does not line up with scripture.

In 1 John 2:27 it says But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. This clearly shows that the anointing of God dwells in us not that we will receive special new anointings. But that we have from God that which is His anointing, the person of the Holy Spirit and have no need of a further anointing because the Holy Spirit is complete and whole when He comes into our lives.

Here are some quotes from those who teach that the anointing something more than just the presence of the Holy Spirit in our life.

Rodney H. Browne described the anointing this way,

It is tangible. It can be felt. Just as electricity is tangible, so is the anointing. Not only is it tangible but transferable. You can communicate it you can give it away. You can store it up and you can give it away.

In this statement by Rodney H. Browne you can see that his perception of the anointing was in the form of an object (it) and not on a personal relationship basis. He says that you can store it up and give it away but the Holy Spirit is not stored up and given away. How do you give away some of the Holy Spirit, can it be divided up like a commodity?

Here we have Benny Hinns statement of this anointing

. . . the anointing increases. He gives you a little and watches you. Then He gives you more. (Benny Hinn, The Anointing, p.81 1992).

This makes the Holy Spirit a force that comes in increments. The Bible says instead that He is a person who cannot be subdivided up.

Rod Parsley states,

Even now my own wife will say I can tell the moment the anointing comes upon you and you literally transform into another human being, but that's what the anointing does. (Aug. 24, 1999 This is your day, TBN )

Again showing that the anointing is something other than the everyday presence of the Holy Spirit in our life. The anointing comes in every shape and type today but the majority of them cannot be found in the Scriptures

In his many teachings and statements Benny Hinn has referred to the anointing in these terms,

A swimming anointing-Honolulu Blaisdale Crusade - 2/28/97
The hurricane anointing- This anointing can blow you away-TBN with Paul and Jan Crouch Sept. 13 1999
A TV Anointing- Hinn described on the Larry King show how he had a terrible cold and watched himself on the TV. On the TV tape he said, Stretch your hands!He thought this is stupid and then Suddenly the Lord really spoke to my heart and said, The man on television is my anointed servant. I went over and put my hands on the screen and yes I got healed.
A Funtime anointing- Believe me that anointing is yours to work that sometimes you can play with it. if your not, but God will take it away from ya.

Rodney H Browne says that we will receive a Rambo anointing[quote:mtdrfklv] When you get the anointing of God you become the worst nightmare to the Devil. I tell you God's going to raise up holy Ghost Rambo's in these last days. To boldly go where no mans gone before.

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Rod Parsley speaks of Jubilee Anointing, Amnesia Anointing and that he received the sword anointing from Lester Sumral who in turn received his anointing from Smith Wigglesworth. All of this intimating that the anointing" is a substance that could be passed on from person to person not like the Holy Spirit that is sovereign and can not be divided

This idea is echoed by many of the new wave teachers of today

Rick Joyner
Mike Bickle
C Peter Wagner
Mike and Cindy Jacobs
Paul Cain

Most new prophets stem from this line of teachers and it is cause to look at these prophecies and hold them up to the word of God

[Matt929liv]

The annointing is the very power of the Lord. If I am in worship and am in the Lords presence and go to lay hands on someone, the annointing is already there because Im already in His presence. If a friend drops by and asks me to lay hands on her for healing, I stop what Im doing and request the annointing. I can do nothing in and of myself, except to be a conduit for the Lord. I do not walk in the presence of the Almighty 24/7. None of us do. His spirit resides in us, yes, absolutley. But the Power is in HIS PRESENCE.

[imported_Cindy]

Right on Richard! My pastor covered this Sunday too. How we are ALL anointed and none of us is any better than another. Different but not better, not more anointed, not more loved by God, not more special to God. I think these people say these things to try to prevent people from questioning their doctrines so they don't get found out!

[Matt929liv]

Rick Joyner
Mike Bickle
C Peter Wagner
Mike and Cindy Jacobs
Paul Cain


These are all EXCELLENT men and women of God!!!

[imported_Cindy]

no they're false prophets and teach bad doctrine. You have to be willing to be berean though to discover that. Not every teacher is a good one, and these people preach another gospel.

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[Matt929liv]

Cindy, I totally diagree with you on this one!

[4given]

Originally Posted by Cindy

no they're false prophets and teach bad doctrine. You have to be willing to be berean though to discover that. Not every teacher is a good one, and these people preach another gospel.

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Cindy, you are right. I was brought up in the Word of Faith movement. I would listen to what was said by many different TV evangelists etc... and what concerned me deep down inside was that it didn't EXACTLY line up with the bible. I remember hearing that we can ask God for a mansion,a fancy car, or other things of the like,and that if I claim it and stand on Gods promises, it will be mine. The bible says not to build your treasures here on earth where moths and rust can destroy them and theives break in and steal them, rather build your treasures in heaven...because where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

I would also think about my own children. If I gave them everything they asked for, I would spoil them rotten and they would not learn what it means to be thankful. Yes, the Lord does bless us and He does want good things for us, but look at Jesus ministry while He was on earth.....

Jesus spoke a parable about the masters servant inviting many to a Wedding feast. Everyone who was NOT lacking turned down the invitation. The master was very upset and asked his servant to go out and invite the maimed,the lame and any one who was lacking to the marriage supper. Jesus also said somewhere in scripture that a man can gain the whole world and end up losing his soul. Jesus ministered to the POOR. I would rather have riches in heaven than here on the earth....other wise whats to say that riches would not affect my heart towards God? I don't want to find out!

Honestly without mentioning names, I knew some TV evangelists personally when I lived in Texas. They were on TBN on a regular basis, and they still are today. I was so saddened to see how they really live. They had very expenssive homes and expenssive clothes, cars etc.... It wasn't what they had that saddened me, it was the attitude they had towards others who did not have nice things. These people were very prejudice. When we were driving down the road together in their car one day, we passed someone who was in desprate need and they just kept on going. I asked why they didn't stop to help these people who were in real trouble, because we were not in any hurry to get anywhere. They said they don't like giving out handouts and that people tend to expect it all the time. My heart broke!

I didn't see any love or compassion coming from these people in person at all!!!! They sure do put on a REAL good show on TBN!!! That is the honest truth!!!!! I watched one TV evangelists wife complaining about so many different things and popping lots of pills all the time. I am not saying these people are going to be perfect, but the fruit I saw CONTINUOUSLY was NOT what you see on TBN. You think that Fresh Hope is judgemental concerning these people??? Try being with a few of these TV evangelists for one day and see what they say about other people........it would literally FLOOR you!!!! They sound WORSE than the pharisees!! I am telling you the TRUTH!!!!!

I chose not to watch TBN anymore after KNOWING these evangelists personally for a couple of years....in fact I used to clean house for one and I would often over hear conversations from them that would make you nausious. TBN is corrupted so bad!!! [/color]

[Richard]

Matt929liv wrote,

The annointing is the very power of the Lord.

The “anointing� or “unction� or power of the Lord is the person of the Holy Spirit. It is not a power that when we need it we can call up. It is the very presence of God dwelling in you available at all times and always working in us to bring us into a fuller life and service to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Matt929liv wrote,

I do not walk in the presence of the Almighty 24/7. None of us do.

If He lives inside you how can you not be in His presence 24/7. In Romans 8:9 says “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.� This tells me I am in the Spirit if be that the Spirit of God dwells in me, so if that is the case then I am in the presence of the Lord 24/7. This does not mean that I am doing every thing perfect but it does mean that Gods Spirit is with all the time.

Matt929liv wrote,

His spirit resides in us, yes, absolutley. But the Power is in HIS PRESENCE.

If He resides in us how can His power not be there for He is present in us.

Matt929liv worte,

Rick Joyner
Mike Bickle
C Peter Wagner
Mike and Cindy Jacobs
Paul Cain


These are all EXCELLENT men and women of God!!!

Actually you need to read what they say and compare it with the word of God and you would see that they are not teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ as we are taught in the scriptures, but the gospel according to the teachings of the Manifest Sons of God mixed in with a lot of Gnosticism. They are all students of William Branham the father of the Manifest Sons of God doctrine.

[Matt929liv]

Crosshearted, no one walks in the presence (meaning power) of the almighty God all the time. Your misinterpeting. But, I said I won't argue and I won't. God doesn't need us to defend him, but everyone seems to think they have to, that God isn't capable of correction mistakes if he believes they exist.
I leave it up to God to keep me on the right path.

[Richard]

Matt929liv wrote,

Crosshearted, no one walks in the presence (meaning power) of the almighty God all the time. Your misinterpeting.

If God is dwelling in you then you walk in the power of God all the time because where God is there also isHis power. The thing is that God is the sovereign chooser of when He will manifest the power through you> It is at His pleasure and purpose the He does this in us not at our beckon call.

Does not the scripture that says "Greater is He that is in you" tell you that the full power of God dwells in you.

Show me the scripture that says the God dwelling in me is not in complete power at all times that I have to do something to get close to Him for that power to be revealed. Back up what you say with the word of God .

[there]

Originally Posted by Matt929liv

Rick Joyner
Mike Bickle
C Peter Wagner
Mike and Cindy Jacobs
Paul Cain


These are all EXCELLENT men and women of God!!!

Thought so matt now i know where you get it from.

The Newly created self appointed apostles. Look at Rev. the church of Epheasus we are told to watch out for these as they divert you from your first love the Lord Yeshua. They preach a different gospel.
We follow the teachings of Christ and the apostles but you might also say we don't make new Christs and apostles and that is what we are seeing today.

I have seen these people in action and been to their shows. They are NOT of God whether you take the warning or not is between you and God i did my part i warned. Read Isaiah 65 whole chapter take a good look at verse 5

Go to deceptioninthechurch.com (?) you will learn about them or you will believe they are truthful that is up to you.

But to others i say RUN these people are very dangerous and the heirachy they are setting up all over the world is a massive deception.

Hellen

[imported_Cindy]

Matt, did you even read what Sherri posted?????