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Old April 27th, 2009, 09:14 AM
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Default Subud-a dangerous cult

Subud. Once a very secretive New Age cult, Subud is now expanding and becoming more open, and no longer hides its teachings behind password-protected web sites. Subud was founded in the 1920s in Java, Indonesia by Muhammad Subuh Sumohadiwidjojo (b. 1901, d. 1987), who is normally called Bapak ("Father") by Subud members. There are a little over 200 members in NZ (as of mid 2007), with about 90 in Christchurch, led by Hammond Peek, and most of the rest in Auckland. There are perhaps 10,000 members worldwide.

The name Subud comes from the three words Susila ("the good character of man in accordance with the will of God"), Budhi ("the force of the inner self within man"), and Dharma ("surrender, trust and sincerity towards God"), and is not related to Subuh ("dawn"). The founder expected members to pay 3-5% of their income to the cult (but they can also have many supposed financial crises to respond to each year) and expected members' enterprises (businesses) to pay 25%. These are not enforced - indeed, most Subud members have not heard of those figures, perhaps indicating that Subud's teaching that Subud has no teaching is working - the members have never been taught what their founder said. (Hiding of origins is actually a big problem in many cults, but most don't have self-contradiction at their core.).....




Central to Subud practice is the latihan - an occult activity like transcendental meditation which according to Dr Stephen Urlich, a Christchurch scientist who wrote an article published in a journal of the American Psychological Association, involves “uninhibited weeping, shouting, writhing, moaning and speaking in tongues” and that “Laughing, jumping and dancing can occur”. A Christian perspective is that this activity involves channeling demons that masqerade as either angels of light or the Holy Spirit to reveal supposed truth to the Subud member. Nasty. Subud has been known to practice strong relationship control, and in a 1964 study cited by Dr Urlich, 24 cases linked Subud to "schizophrenic episodes requiring hospitalisation".

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Subud, Bapak Mohammad Subuh Sumohadiwidjojo [1901-1987]: Originated in Java, Indonesia, Subud has spread worldwide. Subud stands for three words, Susila, Budhi, and Dharma. The three words taken together mean, “to follow the Will of God with the help of the Divine Power that works both within us and without, by the way of surrendering oneself to the Will of Almighty God” (Internet; http://www.subud.org/english/english.Btalk.html). This surrendering of oneself occurs primarily in a spiritual exercise known as the latihan (sometimes, latihan kejiwaan), a trance like state that can produce anything from ecstatic movement and utterance to profound calm. Disengagement of the “passions, desires, and thinking” is essential for entrance into the latihan. “Only by surrendering himself completely to God, not making use of his mind, his heart or his desire, is it possible for man to come into contact with the Power of God” (Ibid.). Thus all the higher critical faculties that set man apart from beast must be suspended. Whatever the experience thus induced, it is simply to be surrendered to and “received.” From a Christian point of view this is a perfect recipe for demonic possession. Regular practice of the latihan enables one to discern one’s true self, which apparently turns out to be God. “So this Divine Power, which works in us during the exercise, will bring to each person what is already in himself…. Therefore, Bapak says that it is God Who will lead you toward Himself and what really happens in the latihan is that you will be introduced to your real inner self—to the real ‘I’. You must not be afraid and you must not be worried because whatever comes to you in your latihan is only what is in you, and it comes from your inner self. It is the real you that arises in the latihan,…” (Ibid.).

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Note the part I put in bold above, which is the exact opposite of what the Word of God says! Beware of this cult!!!!!
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Default Re: Subud-a dangerous cult

I'd never heard of these guys before and I did a series of lessons on cults several years ago. There doesn't appear to be a lot of information about them or their practices so apparently they don't have any practices. From the little information provided I'd say the members are playing cult rather than actually being one but that's what makes them even more dangerous than a true cult. Thanks for putting up this information sis.
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I'd never heard of it either until someone mentioned it to me. My understanding is that they were very big in the 60-70's especially, but have tried to appear more "above ground" since then and so attract even more people; especially those involved in the New Age stuff already. My guess is that it's the new agers that are their biggest customers. Sadly they open themselves up to possession at worst and harassment from demons at best. Of course new agers would think that's great since they think these demons are great intelligent kindly "spirit guides"
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Subud, Bapak Mohammad Subuh Sumohadiwidjojo [1901-1987]: Originated in Java, Indonesia, Subud has spread worldwide. Subud stands for three words, Susila, Budhi, and Dharma. The three words taken together mean, "to follow the Will of God with the help of the Divine Power that works both within us and without, by the way of surrendering oneself to the Will of Almighty God" (Internet; #link.e00137#).

This surrendering of oneself occurs primarily in a spiritual exercise known as the latihanlatihan kejiwaan), a trance like state that can produce anything from ecstatic movement and utterance to profound calm. Disengagement of the "passions, desires, and thinking" is essential for entrance into the latihan. "Only by surrendering himself completely to God, not making use of his mind, his heart or his desire, is it possible for man to come into contact with the Power of God" (Ibid.). Thus all the higher critical faculties that set man apart from beast must be suspended. Whatever the experience thus induced, it is simply to be surrendered to and "received."

From a Christian point of view this is a perfect recipe for demonic possession. Regular practice of the latihan enables one to discern one's true self, which apparently turns out to be God. "So this Divine Power, which works in us during the exercise, will bring to each person what is already in himself.... Therefore, Bapak says that it is God Who will lead you toward Himself and what really happens in the latihan is that you will be introduced to your real inner self--to the real 'I'. You must not be afraid and you must not be worried because whatever comes to you in your latihan is only what is in you, and it comes from your inner self. It is the real you that arises in the latihan,..." (Ibid.).


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