Barbara's Plan Dec 1, 2017 13:26:11 GMT -5
Post by Cindy on Dec 1, 2017 13:26:11 GMT -5
Like, I did not know why exactly John said he was not THE prophet.....meaning the one like Moses to be the Messiah,
Nor, did I get why he said no to Elijah....so thank you so much!
I did sort of know the Jews were expecting 2 Messiahs and wanted the 'conquering one, but I really like the way you said it so clearly!!!
Oh I will study more of John ch. 1.....but if you have another book to study in mind you kind of really wanted to do first, just let me know tomorrow, so I will study that over the weekend, instead of moving onto John ch. 2
I think we talked about this when we did the study on the gospels as well as a couple of other times too. It would probably be a good idea to make a note of it by those verses in your bible so you don't forget. Mainly because the verses don't make much sense if you don't understand that, or at least they make a whole lot more sense when you do.
No, John is fine, we can continue with this.
v.29 "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world"!
This is something to remember when depressed about sins I still commit....Jesus has paid for them...He didn't have to....He choose to out of Divine love.
v. 30 "This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me".’
Only God can be born after a person and yet, be before the same person.
v.31 "I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.”
John says he did not know Jesus ( and nobody living today, know Jesus in the flesh), nevertheless, John had a purpose to reveal Jesus to Israel. I too have a purpose ( not to reveal Jesus to a whole country, but maybe to a few people in some way)....I can remind myself of that when I am feeling useless to God.
v.32 "Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him".
Further, I have the help of God the Holy Spirit.
v. 33 "And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit."
Another proof that Jesus Is God. I don't often reflect on this verse ( I am not even sure if I ever have even once) but I can, when depression hits or even when it is lurking somewhere in hiding, waiting to ambush me, and try to steal my joy.....but the dove landing on Jesus, is such a sweet and yet powerful image....
wild birds, don't make it a habit, to lit on a human...in fact, in 70 years I have never seen it happen once...clearly this is not the only proof of Jesus as God, but it is one to reflect on.
v.34 I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One.”
And John and the Holy Spirit testified Jesus was the Chosen One to save those humans the Father gave to the Son.....instead of sadness, I can have great joy that I am one of the Lord's.
Very good as always!
Verse 31 is another verse we've discussed a number of times. When John says he didn't "know" Jesus, he didn't mean that he didn't know who he was. He meant that he hadn't recognized him. It had been many years since they'd seen each other. Remember, they'd both had special births and they were cousins and knew each other as children. John obviously knew Jesus and knew Him well because when He came to be baptized John didn't want to do it because he knew Jesus didn't need to repent of anything! Then, when the Spirit descended on Him, God revealed to John just exactly who Jesus really was - "the Son of God". (you might want to make a note of that by that verse too) These verses are full of wonderful meaning when we fully understand them:
“I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.” Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’” (John 1:31–33)
In verse 32 where it says "as a dove" or in other versions, "like a dove" the Greek word order, as in English, suggests that the Holy Spirit descended like a dove descends (i.e., quietly and quickly), and not that the Holy Spirit, looking like a dove, descended. The latter would be at variance with other Scripture, because nowhere else does Scripture report God as taking the form of one of the lower orders of His creation. When He did take on a corporeal body it was always that of a perfect man. Romans 1:23 specifically condemns equating Him with corruptible man, birds, animals, etc. Luke 3:22 says: “and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.””
Exegetes have discussed this verse over the centuries without clear-cut resolution; it is this verse that brings doubt on the above interpretation of Matt 3:16, Mark 1:10, and John 1:32. It can be translated thus, ‘descended upon Him bodily, in appearance (descending) as a dove (descends)’—i.e., swooping down rapidly as though out of nowhere. As this is a viable option, it should be preferred to one that introduces tension between the gospels. The Life of Christ
Anyway, it was this miracle that let John know that his cousin was in fact his Messiah. What really blows me away is that I like most others always thought of this as though the Holy Spirit took the form of a dove, but scripture says that's not what happened. The Holy Spirit came down in bodily form, which must have therefore been the form of a perfect man, and He descended from Heaven swooping down rapidly like a dove would do. No bird landed on Jesus - nothing landed on Jesus. The Holy Spirit came down to rest by Jesus or perhaps He never touched the ground and only hovered above or next to Him...it doesn't say. The only thing we can know for sure is that the Holy Spirit was not a dove and not in the shape of a dove, but that of a man. He only descended like a dove.
“the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven” This was Isaiah’s (chapters 40–66) way to recognize the Messiah (cf. Isa. 42:1; 59:21; 61:1). This does not mean to imply that Jesus did not have the Spirit before this time. It was a symbol of God’s special choice and equipping. It was not primarily for Jesus, but for John the Baptist! “dove” This was used (1) as a rabbinical symbol for Israel; (2) as an allusion to the Spirit as a female bird “brooding” in Gen. 1:2; or (3) as a metaphor of the manner in which the Spirit descended (the Spirit is not a bird). The Beloved Disciple’s Memoirs and Letters
Holy Spirit. See note on Mt 3:16, 17. All 3 persons of the Trinity are distinguishable in this verse, a strong proof against the heresy of modalism, which suggests that God is one Person who manifests Himself in 3 distinct modes, one at a time. in bodily form. I.e., physical and visible to all (cf. Mt 3:16; Jn 1:32). like a dove. A picture of gentleness (Mt 10:16). The MacArthur study Bible
Most of the commentaries totally skip this verse as they don't want to deal with it. Others, even MacArthur, includes it but doesn't go into detail about "the dove" portion, only saying it's a picture of gentleness, in other words, a symbol. So he is saying that the Holy Spirit was not a dove, but rather that the "dove" pictured gentleness. Pretty amazing if you ask me! It's one I reflect on fairly frequently just because it's so amazing! If you add something about this to these verses in John and Luke so you don't forget it, I bet you'll be reflecting on it more often too! It makes it more than just amazing, it shows yet again how powerful God is and that He can do quite literally anything He wants to. And to then think that this same God, in all three persons, actually really loves us, is just mind blowing. To know that He would do all these things for us, for me, for you, for every person because He loves us so very much, should bring us great joy! That kind of joy that a lost child would have at being found by their loving father who just wouldn't give up on them no matter what.
Please, this is really important, so please let me know that you've made notes in your bible about this in John and Luke. (you can also put them by Matthew and mark too is you want to, or you can just put see John or Luke lol)